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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.03.24 11:40:00 -
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One other thing that could be a factor in some cases is that as you get older you come to care less and less about societies bull ****, especially if you are a fairly intelligent person.
It's boring for really intelligent people to be around average people. The average person is simply incapable of holding up their end of the conversation. The intelligent person has to spend a great deal of personal time and energy conveying even simple topics to people who don't know how to use their minds but merely blather on about what someone else told them, parroting whatever the common knowledge of the day is.
As intelligent people get older - some of them just get tired of all that crap. The average person to them simply isn't worth fooling with and they don't have the time or energy to expend being polite to people who simply aren't their intellectual equals.
So - they withdraw from common society and common society, incapable of realizing that it is to boring and stupid to put up with labels them hermits or malcontents.
A lot of old people get a reputation for being cranky - because they're to tired to put up with all the social politeness that goes on. Most people talk - not to exchange information - but rather to exchange feelings ... most of which is "I'm one of the cool people. You're one of the cool people. Isn't it great to be one of the cool people - not like all those other people who aren't cool like us?"
For an old, smart person who's been listening to that crap - and being put down by the kind of people who utter it since they were children - what the hell do they need to have anything to do with those people for anyway? Younger people - even younger intelligent people - tend to have a need for others to be in their lives. They need to feel loved and wanted - and they want to get laid. After decades of putting up with society in order to try and get that - and getting none of it - they finally get tired of it and blow society off.
Then society starts treating them like there's something wrong with them - when all that has happened is - they've gotten tired of putting up with societies bull ****.
I mean ... think about it ... by definition - half of society is below average intelligence - and the average isn't all that high.
*shrug*
One of the things Einstein used to do was to simply deny he was Einstein to people who stopped him on the street wanting to talk to him. He was probably fairly polite to the first several dozen but after a while it just tires a person out and it was easier for him to say that "Oh! I'm sorry. People are always confusing me with that Mr. Einstein fellow," and then just go on his way, rather than yell at them "STFU and leave me alone damn it!"
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Posted - 2010.03.26 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 26/03/2010 02:11:46
 Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
You could be absolutely right. But you could also be absolutely wrong. The problem for us - is that we don't really know anything ourselves. All we know is what some sensationalistic journalists told us - (and yes ... I realize that "sensationalistic journalist" is a redundancy ...).
I've known alcoholics who were very clean, fastidious people.
I've lived in a house with a roach problem and had them crawl across my face at night (not fun ...) but we kept the house as clean as we could - which was pretty damn clean. But we lived in New Orleans - and the whole damn city had a roach problem.
I've also slept on a used mattress - which didn't mean it was covered with filth. It just means it wasn't new. I wouldn't have slept on it if it had been filthy. If you think about it - everyone who has ever slept in a hotel has slept on a "used" mattress.
*shrug*
Yeah - you may be right. I've no doubt that there are people who have exactly the problems you are talking about - and - this guy may well be one of them. It's just that from what we've had access to and not knowing this guy personally ... *shrug* I don't know that this is the case.
What I do know from my half century of watching television - is that "journalists" are not in the business of telling the truth. They aren't in the business of lying either - but they are in the business of selling commercial air time and news print. They are out to make money - and - if the truth serves - then fine - they'll use it - but they aren't relying on it. As Katie Couric has been quoted as quoting (perhaps partially in jest) "You can't let the facts get in the way of a good story." That's an old journalistic saying ... she didn't make it up ... which goes to show the attitude involved. A lot of the time, the jokes people tell are funny - because they are true.
*shrug*
"What's your Angle?" the Editor screamed at the cub reporter. I.E. - what is the hook to your story? How are you going to make a headline out of this that will grab peoples attention - so they'll buy our news paper?
How many times have you heard that?
Perry White (from Superman) and J. Johnah Jameson (from Spiderman) were not fabricated out of whole cloth - they were based on real people. Exaggerations certainly but - never the less - based on attitudes prevalent in journalism then and now.
At one time I watched Sixty Minutes religiously. I was a news junky. Then ... I began to realize ... that every time they did a story on something I actually knew something about - they screwed it up. EVERY FRAKKING TIME. So - what did that say for all those stories they had done - where I didn't know anything about them? I stopped watching.
I still watch the news because I still want to know what is going on in the world ... but ... I do not take ANYTHING I see at face value.
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Posted - 2010.03.26 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Some math guy said no to money, then (almost) everybody lables him with some mental disorder like its the natural thing to do with thoose who do not want money and like a simple house.
Refusing the prize and then going on to live a simple life in a simple home is one thing and if that was what happened then you would be correct. However the man went rapidly from a socialy oriented noted mathamatician to a reclusive hermit living in a ****roach infested house formerly owned by alcoholics with only a table, stool and dirty mattress the previous owners left which I am quite certain is covered with priss and fecal matter stains as the sole furniture. If you seriously think that is a normal rational thing to do then I hope to god you never ever are in a position to have to diagnose and eventualy help a person in a situation like that. Something massively traumatic happened to him be it a worsening undiagnosed mental 'disorder' or some other trigger.
No Zeba - THIS - is what you said.
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Posted - 2010.03.27 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Whatever dude. I call em as I see em. That you disagree is totally within your rights as I have already had my say and don't feel like feeding the trolls anymoar, Bottom line is the man went from top of the world to reclusive hermit living in squalor. No rational person with a healthy mental disposition will ever do that so have fun with the rest of the thread. 
Yep. We've each had our say. We just disagree about the certainty of that report.
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